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Saturday, November 20, 2010

Giants Staying Quiet in 'Series Aftermath

Bruce Bochy just missed winning NL Manager of the Year, and although Giants' fans were a little upset about it, nobody really cared too much. Why? They're still basking in the aftermath of their World Series victory.

Celebration time is winding down though, cause key dates are creeping up on us quicker than every body's used too. Like I said earlier in the postseason, since the Giants played a whole extra month, it's making this offseason go by very quickly. We're just 2 short weeks away from the arbitration deadline in which teams must choose to tender or non-tender their eligible players for 2011 contracts. The Giants themselves have quite a few key components to their World Series winning team eligible for raises. Those guys include Postseason hero Cody Ross, Andres Torres, Jonathan Sanchez, Postseason bullpen hero Javier Lopez and Santiago Casilla. I'm assuming all will be tendered contracts, so I wouldn't worry about any of them leaving the Giants, I'm just really curious to see what kind of numbers Jonathan Sanchez and Cody Ross will end up at. I think it would be best for the Giants to avoid arbitration and sign both Ross and Sanchez to 2 or 3 year deals. In arbitration, Ross could get $7-10 million and Sanchez could get even more, so I think it would be in the Giants' best interest to just give each a small multi-year deal. Maybe something like 2 years/$15 million for Ross. Sanchez is a pitcher, and left-handed, so he's a more complicated issue. On the free agent market today, Sanchez could get upwards of $12 million a year from somebody, so a 2 year, $12-15 million deal for him wouldn't look so bad considering.

The other important date, one just 10 days away on November 30th, is the last day in which the Giants can offer their own free agents arbitration. It will be interesting to see what they do with Huff and Uribe if neither are signed by then. I think they should offer it to Uribe, seeing that the market for middle infielders is so thin and there's a very good chance the Giants will lose him. Either way, it would be nice to see Sabean make some kind of noise to show us that he's still not off in Hawaii or Paris soaking in the Series' win. Normally Sabean tends to be one of the more active GM's earlier in the offseason, so it is strange to see him sit so quietly, even though the Giants did just win the Series.

GBB's MVP Picks: With the league MVP selections just around the corner, I wanted to put in my picks before anything went official.

AL MVP: Josh Hamilton, OF Texas: The dude hit .360 with power and run production while playing a gold glove cf while carrying the Rangers to playoffs for the first time in years. Take him off that Texas team and they're a .500 at best ballclub. With, they almost won a World Series.
2nd Place: Miguel Cabrera, Detroit
3rd Place: Robinson Cano, New York

NL MVP: Joey Votto, OF Cincinnati: Can't really decide between him and Pujols so I can't wait to see who wins this one. I'll go with Votto just because he really carried that Reds team and they beat out the Cards in the Central.
2nd Place: Albert Pujols, St. Louis
3rd Place: Carlos Gonzalez, Colorado
The Giants Baseball Blog


  • At 4:47 PM, Anonymous giantsrainman said…

    Cody Ross made $4.45M last year in his second year of arbitration. This year overall he had a worse year then he had in the previous two so while he will get a raise it would suprise me greatly if he were awarded much more then $6M in this his final year of arbitration. For Cody your suggested 2/15 contract is the top end of what the Giants should be considering with 2/13-14 much more reasonable.

  • At 4:54 PM, Anonymous giantsrainman said…

    Jonathan Sanchez made $2.1M last year in his first year of arbitration. This year he had his best year by far setting career standards in innings, wins, era, strikouts, and WHIP. He will get a large raise but he will not get anything close to $10M and in fact will likely get less then the arround $6M Cody will get due to being a year behind Cody in service time. For Sanchez a 2/12 contract should be what it would take to buyout his last 2 years of arbitration. We should seek to add team option years at 8-10 but no more.

  • At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Jason Billingsley said…

    I heard Cody would get 8 million in arb with playoff performance.... Don't know where, but who knows.


  • At 4:56 PM, Anonymous giantsrainman said…

    I am with you on both of your MVP votes.

  • At 12:49 AM, Anonymous GiatnsFanSince82 said…

    Giants Were Great in 2010.

    Boch was robbed, he managed them past Bud Black and Black wins it? I don't get it?

    Oh Well, We Got the Big Prize Baaabbbbyyyyyyy GO GIANTS!!!!!
    Repeat starts with a strong offseason.

  • At 5:30 PM, Blogger Trevor Cole said…

    Rainman, welcome back buddy!

    Sanchez will easily get 6+ in arbitration if it went there, easily. The Giants won't do that though, and there's no way (unless his agent is a moron) he takes less than $6 mill annually if they do a deal, so Sanchez at 2/12 would be great for SF.

    Ross also will be awarded well over $6 mill this year if it went there, probably closer to $10M than $6M (IMO). He didn't have great regular season in '10, but his history, and his postseason performance and value to the Giants will net him that much:

    Here is the exact words written in the arbitration rulebook:

    -"The arbitration is a “high-low” proceeding, during which each side presents its case for why the player should be awarded the requested salary in the upcoming season. In deciding to award the higher or lower salary, the panel may consider the following criteria:

    (1) the player’s contribution to the club in terms of performance and leadership;

    (2) the club’s record and its attendance;

    (3) any and all of the player’s “special accomplishments,” including All-Star game appearances, awards won, and postseason performance;"-

    Cody Ross was huge in all 3 of those categories for SF and that will be recognized. I'd love to sign him to a 2 Yr/$10-12M deal, but I think he'd rather just go to arbitration if they low-ball him. (Cody's a unique guy though and doesn't seem like he's out to milk anyone or become as rich as possible, but baseball is a business and money is the bottom line for these players).

  • At 1:59 PM, Anonymous giantsrainman said…


    Comps are everything in arbitration. The best and most resent comp for Jonathan Sanchez is Wandy Rodriguez. The best and most resent comp for Cory Ross is
    Corey Hart.

    In Wandy's first year of arbitration following the 2008 season he was awarded $2.8M having compiled 6.7 WAR prior to arbitration. In Wandy's second year of arbitration following the 2009 he was awarded $5M after adding another 4 WAR.

    In Jonathan's first year of arbitration following the 2009 season he was awarded $2.1M having compiled 5.5 WAR prior to arbitration. In Jonathan's second year of arbitration how is it possible that he will be awarded more the Wandy was when he only added another 2.6 WAR?

    In Hart's second year of arbitration following the 2009 season he was awarded $4.8M having compiled 6.4 WAR todate. In Ross's second year of arbitration also following the 2009 season he was awarded $4.45M having compiled 7.4 WAR todate.

    In 2010 Hart produced 3.4 WAR while Ross only produced 2.2 WAR. In August Hart signed a 3 year $26.5M extension that pays him $7.5M/$9M/10M for 2011/12/13. How can you reasonably expect Ross to match or even exceed what Hart will be paid in 2011?

  • At 4:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Huff was 7th in MVP voting!!!

    Have to re-sign him, I don't think he'll fail us...

  • At 3:45 PM, Blogger Erik said…

    The Rangers did not, by any stretch, almost win the World Series. Hamilton got them there but they collectively failed as a team in even threatening to win.

    I would like to see the Giants take a good run at Jayson Werth. He'd be a great fit for the team both his physical skills and, I think, his mental makeup.

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